Zelda Time Line

I’m sure if any random fan of the Legend of Zelda series comes along and reads this, he or she could end up quite upset. Considering that most (if any) will not agree with my opinion on the time line. Therefore my preemptive response to those people is thus: fuck off.

So there.

This is my opinion of the time line and I don’t give a flying fuck if you like it or not. I’ve been playing this series for the past 18 years and it has become one of my greatest passions. But I am still able to look at it for what it is: a video game.

I need to first break down some key elements of this series.

First – there are multiple Link’s and Zelda’s throughout each game. This is not just a simple time line consisting of the same exact characters over and over. This are instead different individuals who are related throughout many generations and end up repeating history. So how many Link’s and Zelda’s are there? And who is in each game? Here is how I view it:

NES
The Legend of Zelda
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link

These games featured two different Princess Zelda’s, but also featured the same Link. How is this possible? In the first game, The Legend of Zelda, Link is the young man who sets out to save Princess Zelda from Ganon. After he completes that task and defeats Ganon, he then travels north of Hyrule where he discovers completely different Princess Zelda. She has been under an enchanted sleep for many years (perhaps hundreds or over a thousand). She got that way when she refused to share her piece of the Triforce with her brother. The brother’s aid, an unnamed wizard, placed her into that sleep. This is the start of Zelda II. The plot being that Link has to awaken this other Princess and stop Ganon from returning. He completes this goal and awakens the new Zelda.

For those who didn’t know, the sleeping Zelda was the original Zelda in the Hyrule time line. It was her brother who, after feeling both regret and guilt, declared that all female children born in the royal family be named Zelda. This accounts for why they are all named Zelda. And that is the actually Legend of Zelda.

SNES
A Link to the Past

This game features a new Link and a new Zelda. Both appear in other games.

Game Boy
Link’s Awakening
Four Swords

Link’s Awakening features the same Link as was in A Link to the Past. Zelda does not appear in this game. Link’s Awakening is the direct sequel to A Link to the Past featuring Link sailing the world to improve upon his abilities and eventually returning home. He then becomes ship wrecked and finds himself in what is discovered to be a dream world. After waking from this dream he is back in the wreckage and completely adrift, but does eventually make it back to Hyrule.

Both the same Link and Zelda are once again in Four Swords, and are the same from A Link to the Past. This game features Zelda being kidnapped by Vaati, a wizard who seeks to make Zelda is bride, but of course is defeated by Link – using a legendary weapon known as the Four Sword – and sealed away.

GameCube
Four Swords Adventures

The same Link and Zelda from A Link to the Past and Four Swords. This game is the direct sequel to Four Swords.

Game Boy (again)
Oracle of Ages
Oracle of Seasons

Once again, the same Link and Zelda from A Link to the Past are featured in this game. How do I know – since there is a lot of debate on this. Because the Triforce is completely restored which has happened in only two games: A Link to the Past and Wind Waker. But at the end of Wind Waker, Hyrule is flooded forever and the Triforce cannot leave Hyrule. Which limits this down to the one Link.

N64
Ocarina of Time
Majora’s Mask

This games also feature a new Link and a new Zelda. These two new characters are the same in each of these two games. Majora’s Mask is the direct sequel to Ocarina of Time.

GameCube
Wind Waker

Another new Link and Zelda. These two are arguably the last in the time line.

DS
Phantom Hourglass

The same Link and Zelda (Tetra) from Wind Waker.

Game Boy (one last time)
The Minish Cap

A new Link and Zelda that are not part of any other game.

Wii
Twilight Princess

A new Link and a new Zelda.

So there. That covers all the games. That gives a grand total of 6 Link’s and 7 Zelda’s. And if you don’t agree with me, see previous response.

And how many Ganondorf’s / Ganon’s are there? Simple. One. Just one. It has always been the same dude coming back time and time again. Ganon is the physical embodiment of evil, and evil cannot be killed. That’s more or less the moral Nintendo is going for with that.

So how do these game all time in together? Well several have sequels of their own, but that only helps a little bit. We’re looking for the big picture here. Which brings us to the second part. How each game ended.

The Legend of Zelda- With Link restoring the Triforce of Wisdom, defeating Ganon (who turns to ash) with a “magic sword” and silver arrows, claiming the Triforce of Power, and rescuing Princess Zelda.

The Adventure of Link- With Link restoring the Triforce of Courage, waking Princess Zelda, and preventing Ganon’s return by defeating “Dark Link.”

A Link to the Past- Link defeating Ganon (who is slain) with the Master Sword (found in the Lost Woods) and silver arrows, rescuing Zelda, and claiming the Triforce as a whole. Link returns the Master Sword to its pedestal.

Link’s Awakening- Link defeating his nightmare which is represented by a shadow form of Ganon and eventually wakes up from his dream.

Four Swords- Link defeating Vaati with the Four Sword and rescuing Zelda.

Four Swords Adventure- Link defeating Ganon with the Four Sword and rescuing Zelda.

Oracle of Ages/Seasons- These two games are essentially mirror worlds. Link defeats either Onox or Veran and rescues either Din or Nayru (both Oracles).

Ocarina or Time- We see Ganondorf as a human for the first time. At the end of the game, he transforms into Ganon. Link defeats Ganon using the Master Sword (found in the Temple of Time) and light arrows. Ganondorf is sealed away by the seven sages. Ganondorf is possesses his piece of the Triforce (power) while Link holds courage and Zelda holds wisdom. Link returns to Master Sword to its pedestal.

Majora’s Mask- Link saves the land of Termina using enchanted masks and a forged Kokiri Sword. He defeats Majora’s Mask and eventually returns to Hyrule.

Winder Waker- Link defeats Ganondorf (who turns to stone) by plunging the Master Sword deep into his head. Hyrule eventually floods and no word is mentioned that it is ever saved. The resembled Triforce scatters after the King makes his wish to flood Hyrule and stop Ganondorf. Link and Zelda survive the flood, but the Master Sword stays under water and is not returned to its pedestal.

Phantom Hourglass- Link defeats Bellum with the Phantom Sword and saves Zelda (Tetra).

The Minish Cap- Link defeats Vaati using the Four Sword and rescues Zelda.

Twilight Princess- Link defeats Ganondorf by plunging the Master Sword through his chest. Ganondorf still holds his piece of the Triforce of Power as Link and Zelda hold their respective pieces as well.

So that wraps up that portion. And why did I walk you through all this? To help you see what I have seen and show you exactly what I have come up with. Where I believe the time line goes. And it is this….

There is no time line! There is far too much contradiction for there to be any coherent linking of all these games no matter how you try and spin it.

Oh sure, many of the games can work together, but not each one. As a matter of fact, all but three games can work together. If you leave out Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass, and Twilight Princess, there is no problem whatsoever. The games would go like this:

  1. The Minish Cap (as the precursor to games further down the line with Link creating the Four Sword)
  2. Ocarine of Time (with the introduction of Ganondorf, the first use of the Master Sword, and Ganondof being sealed away and Link being labeled the Hero of Time)
  3. Majora’s Mask (with Link moving on in this travels)
  4. A Link to the Past (a descendant of the Hero of Time who witnesses Ganondorf breaking the seal, but is prevented from returning to Hyrule; the Master Sword used a second time)
  5. Link’s Awakening (with Link traveling to other lands and eventually returning to Hyrule)
  6. Four Swords (Link having to defeat Vaati with the Four Sword that was created many generations before)
  7. Four Swords Adventture (Link having to defeat Vaati and Ganon again using the Four Sword once more)
  8. Oracle of Ages/Season (Link being summoned by the resembled Triforce to do battle elsewhere)
  9. The Legend of Zelda (a fourth Link who experiences a coming of age journey to save Zelda and defeat Ganon)
  10. The Adventure of Link (Link continues in his journeys by bringing the original Zelda out of her sleep)

And that is where it ends. I don’t care what you try and pull off, Wind Waker (which must have Phantom Hourglass as its sequel) and Twilight Princess cannot fit anywhere. Why? Simple. Because in both games the Triforce is still separated.

In Wind Waker, Ganondorf already has the Triforce of Power. Zelda has a portion of the Triforce of Wisdom (given to her by her mother), and Link must put the Triforce of Courage back together by finding the eight pieces that shattered when the original hero left Hyrule (proof that the Triforce cannot leave Hyrule). So if the Triforce is still separated, that means it must come BEFORE A Link to the Past, but obviously is has to come AFTER Ocarina of Time (since Ocarina of Time shows the first appearance of Ganondorf in Hyrule).

So then how did Ganondorf break out of the seal that the sages placed him in? And how does this explain Hyrule’s fate? The place gets flooded, the Master Sword is never returned to it’s pedestal, and then some how Ganondorf is supposed to end up back trapped in the seal that he never broke in the first place? Yeah that makes sense….

Why not argue that Wind Waker comes after The Adventure of Link? Because of placement. Nintendo claimed that Wind Waker followed shortly after Ocarina of Time. But clearly they missed how much contradiction that caused as I have already stated. So let us ignore what they said, and focus on what the game itself shows.

We see that the fish-like Zoras have evolved into the bird-like Ritos. And since there are Zoras around as far as A Link to the Past, we must assume that Wind Waker wakes place after A Link to the Past. Unless we want to believe that Zoras became Rito then Rito back to Zoras. But even though I know I’m going way over the top with this and getting far too fanboyish even for me, I’m not gonna go that far.

But then there are all the other things. Like how the people still speak of the Hero of Time, how the Great Deku Tree exists (perhaps the Deku Sprout from Ocarina of Time now grown), and how the Gorons are still around (completely disappeared by A Link to the Past)? This all points that it should come after Ocarina of Time, and yet already that cannot be.

If one really wanted to argue it, one could say that the people still speak of the Hero of Time because he was the original legend (which would account for why people don’t remember it outside of being a legend) and perhaps all the other Links were blended into a single story that was pasted down, and Deku Tree was able to live all those years and that the Gorons simply came back from wherever they went. OK. I actually will buy that. But we still can’t safely tack Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass onto the end of the above time line. Why? Because of the biggest contradiction of all: the dissembled Triforce.

As I already stated, Wind Waker begins with Ganondorf having his piece of the Triforce, Zelda having part of her’s, and Link needing to reconstruct his. So if The Legend of Zelda plus The Adventure of Link ends with all three pieces eventually being collected by Link (though we technically never see them put all back together), how do we account for them being not only ripped apart again, but Ganondorf getting the Triforce of Power? We can’t. So Wind Waker doesn’t fit anywhere.

Now we get to the really big monkey wrench in all this. Twilight Princess. It fits nowhere. Where can you put it? According to Nintendo its supposed to come closer to Ocarina of Time than Wind Waker did (but we see how great they did with that assessment).

If you place it between Ocarina of Time and A Link to the Past, you face the exact same questions as you did with Wind Waker being between them. You cannot have Ganondorf out of the sages seal then mysteriously back in it just because you impale him with a sword. Even in a world of golden goddesses and magic fairies, that makes no sense.

So where do you put it? Since I believe that Wind Waker is the last chapter of Hyrule, it has to come before that. That would mean either after either Oracle of Ages/Seasons or The Adventure of Link. But you got one huge problem with that: Link, Ganondorf, and Zelda were all born with a piece of the Triforce already inside them. And how did they get there? Ganondorf had his already, Link is a descendant to the Hero of TIme and Zelda a descendant to the Zelda who helped banish Ganondorf along with the Hero of Time. BUT since we have that contradiction of it not being able to come after Ocarina of Time AND the contradiction that it would make no sense for these descendants to be born with pieces of the Triforce long after it had been resembled, the game simply cannot fit anywhere.

So if you wanted a time line, the best I can give you is 11 out of the 14 games. That is the only way it makes sense to me. But it can’t work around all 14 games. I’ve tried, it can’t be done. It doesn’t work. And don’t even suggest the split time line theory. I’ll break your arm if you suggest that piece of shit idea. That theory ends up with the same contradictions anyway, let alone it doesn’t make sense and is really just a time paradox in training.

There you go. Hope you enjoyed that long as all fuck read. I’m not even gonna proof read it. So don’t bother to call me on any mistakes. I don’t give a shit. I’m out!

16 Comments »

  1. Teesa Said:

    dammmmnnnnnnn
    thats a lotta info.

  2. Anonymous Said:

    blah blah blah, dont argue with me, read previous response, i dont give a shit, I have been playing for 18 years(yawwnn something you said you hated haering) .

    ok they were all direct quotes from your ego. N0 added sugar! as they say. So right you been playing this game for 18 years and no one is allowed to argue with you cause you said so? hmm. Am I missing something..I thought the “kayle is always right” burned you once before. Still though did read the entire post, prehaps there really are lots of people debating the zelda timeline???

    to those people: get a fucking life ahaha no im kidding , I know what it’s like to play totally immersive games fromthe past/present. despite it’s american heratige the commadore amiga seemed to do better in the uk , I will never know why. But i was the machine with the big bollocks you couldn’t miss!

    Wanna talk about pioneers THOSE programmers for a string of about 10 years made nearly EVERYTHING possible, just some fucking surf dudes in sillicon valley and a fuck load of backup the system took of like wildfire..why..amazinlgy piracy. Piracy lead to The amiga(as well as the fact that it , in it’s time out powered and out featured everything) the fact that you could hack 50 games as long as you had 50 disks was the final nail..this machine was going in the uk for £500! thats $1000 to you guys it was way above everything else. But it sold and sold..because it stoodthat far apart. I have never seen quite such a jump since. Though I HATE to say it, the ps one came close in reagrds of jumping in quality.

    So thank all those zitty swatty little bastards, without them WE would not be playing lotr online! And a few other titles, and before you kill me kayle..nintendo im treating as a whole other case.

    Thise guys have both excelled and sucked beyond beliefe over the years..and in your own words “I dont give a shit what you think”

    The amazing thing about nintendo is that they are just about the soul survivor in the arms race of the original home systems.

    considering they have a piss poor record :

    success’

    Snes(kinda in the uk but it got wiped by the megadrive/genesis and the amiga)

    nes – the original and no one can argue it paved the way. shame no one remembers that.

    Gameboy – never liked em that much, but you have to say without the gameboy, there may not be a nintendo still standing. That machine cleaned the shelves in it’s near original form for nearly ten years..even when better hardware threatened.

    Wii – Again after disasterous relases on gbc gba then the DS public confusion for a while cause the faith in nintentos handhelds to take apounding, only the ds has resotred faith.
    Again I believe the second saviour of the company

    fail;

    n64? thats right the machine that stopped being a prick and realed good games AFTER nintendo stopped supporting it, wonder if that has anything to do with thier famous “kiddy games and no blood policy”

    gba – no exactly a failure..hardly an event either..that one cost them.

    GBC – alls I will say is hahahahahah more money pissed up the wall.

    Gamecube – I saw rogue squadron on the gamecube, I have to say I broughtone that day, the graphics were amazing even though it wasn’t supposed to be able to keep up with it’s counterparts. The fact wasthis was the best game I had ever seen!

    In fairness i think the market was fooled against nintendo, though they didn’t help themselves by releasing “barbie does dallas” type games AGAIN. shame I loved that system.

    I could go on(and probably should) So it’s pretty amazing to see ths Zelda timeline come together, because the road has been so rocky..and somehow those smart gits at nintendo have managed to land on thier feet when ALL others fell. I am not a nintendo fan but you gotta respect that!

    I know zelda has actually been quite big here in the uk, However I think now, with the passge of time. I would rather hack off my penis with a torn coke tin that play that game now. I have my memories of an era that for me started in 1976..when games really DID suck. If your interested, then I wont mention it again..ANY hint that it will bore you? I am writing a book :D

  3. sTOrM Said:

    rats i forgot to put my name in, idiot

  4. Lavender Ana Said:

    Yay, I finally read the whole thing! Aren’t you proud of me ;)

    And yes, I am commenting while logged into my WordPress account. Since I needed another blog to never update.

  5. Danny77 Said:

    I still dont get why there is more than one link…i understand about zelda(because of Zelda II’s brother, who demands that all girls born shall be named Zelda). I just dont get how there are more than 1 link, why cant it just be that one link going back and forth in time? I only think there maybe should 2 links. I have always guessed that Link, from windwaker/phantom hourglass(obviusly sequel) is the regular link’s great-grandson or that just link traveled back in time again.

  6. Kayle Rain Said:

    Well the name of Link is really only the name of the generic character. Remember, that the player can name him whatever they want so one could argue that the name doesn’t have to be the same.

    But I go with Link for each one because that is the character I view. Besides, it’s not like naming someone after a family member is an uncommon thing.

    And on top of that, it’s not the same Link because he is discovering everything for the first time. He’s living in a village completely unaware of who Ganondorf is and meeting Zelda. So he isn’t traveling through time. It’s new people.

    Furthermore, the Link in Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass is not related to the original Link. They say that in the game. He is the only Link not connected to the Hero of Time by blood, but instead viewed as the reincarnation of him.

    The way to solve all the questions is simple: Nintendo is a video game company, not a group of novelists. They focus on game play first, marketing, sales, etc. The story comes somewhere way in the back of the race. So even though this entry of mine is long and a bit obsessive, it’s best not to think too much into it and just have fun playing the games.

  7. Staffy Said:

    Look. The Split Timeline theory has gained wide acceptance.
    It’s a fact weather you like it or not, and further more, that’s a neutral statement on the matter. So you sit right there and don’t get your knickers in a twist over it. What you think about it is your own business.

    I will simply say that I happen to agree with it, and that I believe it makes perfect sense.

    We have established that there are multiple Links, right?
    So those Links HAVE TO DIE AT SOME POINT. Think about that. If they die, and it is several generations before a new Link arises, then wouldn’t it be natural to assume that the Triforce breaks apart when one of those links die?

    Perhaps I got a bit to far ahead of myself here; let me explain:

    You see, Link, Zelda, and Gannon are the EMBODIMENTS of the qualities of the Triforce, through them the Triforce can be brought into the main game world from the sacred realm.
    How I figure the Triforce works is like so:
    If one of the Triforces are broken (intentionaly) they will remain in Hyrule after the holder passes on, HOWEVER if the Triforce remains ununited (with the other two aspects), it will fade back into the sacred realm until such time as a person emerges who contains those qualities.
    What complicates the matter is that if you get all three in the same spot you can make a wish on them. But once you do they separate and fade back into the sacred realm, again, until such time as person emerges who contains the qualities that each embodies.
    This is all well and good but the interplay between Ganon (Power), Zelda (Wisdom) and Link (Courage) caused the system to go into conflict-hence the games.

    By now you’re probably going “well, DUH!, get to the point…”
    So here it is:
    Due to links transient mortal nature, and Zeldas’ habit of shattering her or his (or both) pieces of the triforce, AND given that Link has left Hyrule on occasion with the Triforce ununited, it stands to reason that in those cases, while the Triforce (as a whole) may have been found, they were not joined, and so when he left (at least his) piece shattered.
    When he left for Termina for instance would have been one such instance, and when he partook in the events on Kholint would have been another (Remember the island was a figment of the WINDFISH’s dream not Link’s. And it was made real by the Windfish’s magic. (this can be explained if we assume that a Triforce remains whole if its bearer travels to a land that one of the God’s and Goddess’s intentionaly made. Since Kholint was created by the Windfish and not the Gods, it exists outside of those boundaries.))

    Sure. This is all a BIG stretch, but conjecturaly speaking, there is nothing wrong with the theory.

    WHY I BELIEVE THE SPLIT TIMELINE WORKS:

    As I said, You think it’s a load of bollocks, and hey, guess what, that’s your opinion. I accept that as a valid theory. I’ll even go so far as to say that perhaps Nintendo has simply given us new story elements, which they as of yet have not tied into the main continuity. After all we didn’t get Metroid in order, Nor did we get Star wars, and hell even the pre-quil to the lord of the rings didn’t come out until several years after “The return of the king” was written, so why the hell should Nintendo suddenly start giving us the whole story in order after all these years. (and let’s not even go INTO the train wreck that’s the Mario continuity… Xp)

    So yes, I’ll acknowledge your view point. Do me the honor of returning the favor.

    Here is how the split works:
    Remember in Back to the future 2 when Biff Tannen goes back and gives himself the sports reccords book from 2015? Remember how it created an ALTERNATE 1985?
    Pretty much the same thing is happening here. Every time Link puts the sword back on that pedestal in the Temple of Time he is actually being sent back to a few moments BEFORE he pulled it out. Thus he gains knowledge about the future and uses that knowledge to alter his present (as a child) and ultimately foil Gannondorf. (Because if you think about it, he never really DOES pull that sword from that stone- the sword always sends him back to RIGHT BEFORE HE DOES ;-) ) One can assume that Zelda does a similar trick at the end, because in Majora’s Mask, Link does not have the Master Sword; Only the Kikori one.
    So that explains both how the triforce of courage is shattered and the Master Sword must be sought in Twilight Princess.

    As for the ADULT time line, we can assume that when Link pulls the sword from the pedestal it sends him to the point right BEFORE he put it back, but also adjusting for changes in the past. (except the first time; that was a one way trip to establish the pattern) This means that through learning about obstacles in the future, he is able to go back and rectify them, and return to an adjusted future.

    Why this spawns the theory (and I suspect you find a stumbling block here) is because Zelda does send him back after Ganon’s defeat in the future… Back to a past where Ganondorf never actually entered the sacred realm to BECOME Ganon. Yes, paradox, right? Wrong! Because Link is able to stop Ganondorf from becoming Ganon in the first place, it relegates the future Ganon to an ALTERNATE TIME LINE. It exists, because Link had to pull that sword from that stone at least ONCE to set the whole mess into motion. Sure, the sword always sends him back to right before he does that, but ONLY IN THE CHILD LINK TIME LINE. The last time he goes back to the past, he doesn’t use the sword; Zelda sends him back, and in that instant the alternate future becomes viable.

    Now, because Link did NOT take the master sword with him when Zelda sends him back, it would have fell to her, or her father to put the sword back in the temple of time, and thus seal the Sacred Realm. Can we assume that the seal was improper in some way? Was this the reason Ganon escaped the Sacred realm? Who can say. That may never be resolved. In any case, it is revealed (in case you forgot) in Wind Waker that A king of Hyrule wished for the world to be flooded to prevent Ganon from wishing on the Triforce that Hyrule reflect his desires. (Can’t take over something that doesn’t exist right?) The game mentions that after he did so HE HID THE OTHER TWO TRIFORCES. He gave the last Triforce to his daughter and sent her out in to the new world to properly guard the last piece. And being a Zelda, she figured the best way to keep it hidden was to bust of a chunk off instead and leave the rest with her dad.

    And that explains the ADULT time line.

  8. Kayle Rain Said:

    Good for you.

  9. kyu kyu Said:

    you know, it is possible that there actually isn’t a solid time line that ALL the games fit into..it wouldn’t be the first time game developers have made a series and not all the series’ titles connected.

  10. confusedbuthappy Said:

    let us zelda fans not forget that there are still more zelda games to be released, games that hopefully will explain or fill in holes in the timeline theorys.

  11. Anonymous Said:

    beep

  12. roberto Said:

    Ell, the split timeline is a teory confirmade by Aonuma

    But i think that Link WW not is the reeincarnation of the hero of time…is the blood descendant, the choosen one to finish with Ganondorf’s life, the reason is that he is the descendat of the hero of time(Tetra is the descendant of Zelda)

  13. kieran Said:

    its called LEGEND of zelda. and some legends get chainged over the years and some get made up. so either some things that happened in the past games that would make the games actually link up got mixed up. or twighlight princess phantom hourglass and wind waker never happened.

  14. crankituptoeleven Said:

    this is my theory.

    ocarina of time
    wind waker majora’s mask
    phantom hourglass twilight princess
    spirit tracks oracle of seasons
    minish cap link’s awakening
    four swords oracle of ages
    four swords adventure
    a link to the past
    legend of zelda
    zelda II:adventure of link

  15. crankituptoeleven Said:

    oops! please ignore that last comment. this is what i ment to say

    TIMELINE 1
    ocarina of time
    wind waker
    phantom hourglass
    spirit tracks
    minish cap
    four swords
    four swords adventure
    a link to the past
    legend of zelda
    zelda II:adventure of link

    TIMELINE 2
    majora’s mask
    twilight princess
    oracle of seasons
    link’s awakening
    oracle of ages

  16. Kayle Rain Said:

    I wrote this over a year ago. People, stop doing searches for Zelda entries and realize I have not only written on completely different subject matter, but also entries that pertain to this one as well.

    For example:
    http://kaylerain.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/can-of-worms/

    I really don’t want to delete this entry, or any entry for that matter. But it’s getting really old and annoying that fanboys keep swinging around just for one damn thing. Open your eyes for a minute and look around.

    I don’t care what your theories are, your opinions or anything in your mind that pertains to Zelda. It’s a goddamn video game. It should not be the hottest topic I have touched on. That’s just fucking pathetic.


{ RSS feed for comments on this post} · { TrackBack URI }

Leave a Comment